|
|
Post by misteranderson on Nov 22, 2011 3:49:28 GMT -5
Theres a couple of new vids (and questions) every day just looking at LJ comm vidding right this very second... so its not like its stagnating from a general activity point of view.
But I think when the 'big names' on your vidding list don't post as frequently and make less vids it can certainly seem like the community is drifting apart.
I know Ive been slack over the past year or so, but my I doubt I factor into the drifting idea much. Though from the times when Ive logged on I see less from the people I most frequently spoke to: bradcpu, DC, balistik, etc which does kinda make it that way for me...
|
|
|
|
Post by obsessive24 on Nov 22, 2011 4:44:07 GMT -5
You make a lot of good points, franzeska. My brain is fried first thing Tues morning so may need to come back re some of them! ;D Theres a couple of new vids (and questions) every day just looking at LJ comm vidding right this very second... so its not like its stagnating from a general activity point of view. True, but occasionally swinging by those vidposts, it feels like comment count in general has also gone down. Not necessarily the amount of people watching, but it certainly feels like the amount of people who watch and then are motivated to say something about the vid has diminished... from my perspective anyway. But you're right in that I'm feeling this largely because my f-list vidding activity has dwindled. Hmm. |
|
|
|
Post by voodoochild on Nov 22, 2011 9:03:08 GMT -5
While I'm not nearly as active or as knowledgable about vidding/the vidding community, I've also noticed this. It seemed for a time a few years ago that whenever a new vid was posted, word spread quickly, comments accumulated, entire discussions were had in comment threads. And maybe I'm just not in the right forums/comms, but it doesn't seem as if that's going on as much now.
|
|
|
|
Post by obsessive24 on Nov 22, 2011 9:32:39 GMT -5
Okay, I'm having a theory about this. Based on anecdotal evidence only from what I'm seeing personally, so feel free to pipe up if you disagree based on where you are.
So my general feel is this: when you start vidding, you're bubbling over with energy and progress and you're keen to not only make vids but talk about them and write lots of feedback on other people's vids. But as time goes on, RL tends to get in the way, plus your quality standards get higher, and somehow it feels like you have less and less and less time to make your own vids, let alone watch others' vids, let alone have the time and energy to write feedback. The observation is rather blanket and anecdotal, but rings true for me from what I'm seeing on my f-list over the last few years.
This in itself is okay if you accept it just as a natural life cycle of a vidder's role in the community. The expectation is that the community will naturally regenerate because there are enthusiastic newbies coming in to fill the decrease in oldbie community involvement. But here's the thing: maybe there are fewer and fewer newbies coming into the LJ vidding community, because they're being diverted elsewhere. I'm thinking YouTube specifically, which is very well-known and there's very little barrier to entry. Obviously there are still newbies coming to LJ vidding; I'm not talking about individual people so much as a general trend, and wondering if it'd be correct to say there are fewer newbies in the LJ vidding community now as there might have been, say, 5 years ago. And as the LJ vidding population ages, community involvement diminishes because of this natural attrition.
|
|
|
|
Post by franzeska on Nov 22, 2011 11:24:08 GMT -5
You raised a lot of interisting points, franzeska. There was vidding meta out there years ago that made me do the opposite on purpose, because honestly? No, just no. Heh. To get one motivated, there's nothing quite like someone else being WRONG ON THE INTERNET! ;D But you're right in that I'm feeling this largely because my f-list vidding activity has dwindled. Hmm. One of the downsides of the LJ/DW format is that you don't see just whoever is excited and posting right now; you see your flist, however energetic or depressed or burnt out or eaten by real life those people are. I've also, personally, drifted away from journals; I keep mine, and I'll go catch up on people's when something specific motivates me to, but I just can't keep up with even a small flist on a regular basis in the normal way. I always forget. I liked hanging out in #vidding last Festivids because people showed up there because they wanted to talk and had the time. I'll also use LJ and DW's internal search functions to look for people discussing whatever I feel like talking about and go driveby comment on their posts. The number of personal journals that are excluded from search means it's hard to find most people though. But any time there's a concrete thing happening, people start linking to each other all over the place, whether it's a con or an online exchange or a massive drama of some sort. (So I am really excited to see this forum because the forum format is good for exactly the things LJ/DW are bad at and vice versa.) Now that I think about it, I almost never comment on vidposts. I commented on every Festivid last year, and I probably will this year too. I only made it through about half of this year's VVC vidshows. (I totally will get to the other half though--probably while procrastinating on my Festivid.) I'll beta whenever I see forlorn people without offers. But what I don't do is read any vidding communities and regularly comment on vidposts. Why would I? They're never in my fandoms (the oh-so active Wiseguy and Miami Vice), they're not part of a fest or con or something I've chosen to review all of just to do it, and they're not by someone who's been workshopping their vid in chat or telling me about it directly because then I wouldn't have to go to a community to find them. But here's the thing: maybe there are fewer and fewer newbies coming into the LJ vidding community, because they're being diverted elsewhere. I think that's exactly it: it's part of a natural lifecycle. It might not only be Youtube though. Like I said, for me, it's also that event-based feedback, IRC, and other things I've found through LJ/DW already take enough time without me following LJ communities. Festivids is full of newbies, many of whom are active on LJ. They (we) post in personal journals. I've also seen the occasional burst of meta on fail_fandomanon, usually with a heavy emphasis on AMVs given who hangs out there. Vidding meta on LJ that's findable tends to be from 2006 or before. Much of what is linked to in the big meta links collections is now locked, and all of it is old enough to discourage comment. When a newbie looks at vidding (the LJ com), they're going to see a ton of announcements and the very occasional beta or tech help request, not recent meta that would inspire them to post their own or to comment. One could post detailed feedback or meta in response to a stranger's vid announcement, but what if they hate concrit and get mad? That's a lot of effort wasted. Things like vidder profiles are fascinating to read, but they don't inspire active participation from newbies the way a very general meta post might. I think the general LJ cultural aversion to necroposting is a big factor. |
|
|
|
Post by obsessive24 on Nov 22, 2011 11:37:57 GMT -5
Damn, I keep forgetting about Festivids because I'm not actively participating, but you're right, there is a lot of newbie participation there.
Forgive my ignorance, what is "necroposting"? ;D
|
|
|
|
Post by franzeska on Nov 22, 2011 12:16:49 GMT -5
Forgive my ignorance, what is "necroposting"? ;D "Necroposting" and many other hilarious variants are forum jargon for resurrecting dead threads (from 'necromancy'). On LJ, I would feel weird telling someone why their meta from 2006 is WRONG ALL WRONG because it's likely they don't even agree with it anymore, and aside from "Yay, awesome!" type feedback, people just don't leave comments on ancient journal posts. Forums are strongly divided on where and when to necropost, but I think there's more of a sense that if someone was WRONG ON THE INTERNET years ago, now is a great time to let them know. There's less of a feeling that you missed the discussion and now the window for comment has closed. |
|
|
|
Post by obsessive24 on Nov 22, 2011 15:36:14 GMT -5
On LJ, I would feel weird telling someone why their meta from 2006 is WRONG ALL WRONG because it's likely they don't even agree with it anymore See, the thing I find weird is that you don't feel that way on a forum. Why not, if it's equally likely that person on the forum had probably moved on from something they said years ago? I know personally there are things I said years ago (hell, probably even months or weeks ago) that I no longer agree with. So if someone were to go back that far and dig it up and disagree, I'd probably agree with them in principle, but I'd still find it a bit weird. I was trying to think of some sort of academic analogy, which I find hard since I'm not an academic, but one thing that popped up and seemed vaguely analogous is case law. If you're researching a principle and find an old case that said one thing, you're not gonna just take that and run with it. You're going to have to do more research to see if any further case law or statutes have superseded the principle. If they have, then that old case no longer has much relevance. I'm not saying it's always the case and I'm sure in plenty of cases necroposting still gives rise to interesting results, but in a general sense, I'm not really sure what's the point of beating a dead horse. |
|
|
|
Post by franzeska on Nov 22, 2011 15:46:05 GMT -5
See, the thing I find weird is that you don't feel that way on a forum. Why not, if it's equally likely that person on the forum had probably moved on from something they said years ago? It does depend on the forum, of course. But on many of them, all of the other newbies will be reading the same dead thread I am, right up through whatever responses people have had in the time since the original post. So it's not really a dialogue with that person, who may no longer be around or may no longer feel that way, but with other people currently reading the thread. On LJ, if you go digging around in old posts, you're much more likely to be the only one reading them. |
|
|
|
Post by obsessive24 on Nov 22, 2011 15:50:29 GMT -5
Ah, I see. In that case I agree, if there's other people to talk to about it, that's a different kettle of fish to talking specifically to the original poster and trying to argue against a view they no longer hold.  |
|
|
|
Post by winterjasmine on Nov 22, 2011 16:37:17 GMT -5
Fascinating thread When a newbie looks at vidding (the LJ com), they're going to see a ton of announcements and the very occasional beta or tech help request, not recent meta that would inspire them to post their own or to comment.As a newbie myself, I would completely agree with this, and state again, as others have done, that this forum fills a huge gap, and is doing so rather awesomely Jaz |
|
|
|
Post by jackiek on Nov 22, 2011 18:15:09 GMT -5
But as time goes on, RL tends to get in the way, plus your quality standards get higher, and somehow it feels like you have less and less and less time to make your own vids, let alone watch others' vids, let alone have the time and energy to write feedback. The observation is rather blanket and anecdotal, but rings true for me from what I'm seeing on my f-list over the last few years. Yes! I feel this one. I think it is also true that since vidding is such a visual medium, it gets harder and harder to put what you are thinking about into words without something forcing you (okay, forcing me) to reconnect. |
|
|
|
Post by dragonchic on Nov 23, 2011 4:31:14 GMT -5
I know Ive been slack over the past year or so, but my I doubt I factor into the drifting idea much. Though from the times when Ive logged on I see less from the people I most frequently spoke to: bradcpu, DC, balistik, etc which does kinda make it that way for me... Agreed, I don't get the sense that the overall vidding community is drifting apart but it certainly feels like the little corner I was a part of is much less active. Though I fully admit I'm one of the worst offenders in that respect.  I think not going to VVC this year also had a lot to do with that, as I wasn't spurred to make any premieres nor did I get to flail over vids for an entire weekend. |
|
Zohar
New to the Pub
Posts: 9
|
Post by Zohar on Nov 23, 2011 11:12:04 GMT -5
So my general feel is this: when you start vidding, you're bubbling over with energy and progress and you're keen to not only make vids but talk about them and write lots of feedback on other people's vids. But as time goes on, RL tends to get in the way, plus your quality standards get higher, and somehow it feels like you have less and less and less time to make your own vids, let alone watch others' vids, let alone have the time and energy to write feedback. The observation is rather blanket and anecdotal, but rings true for me from what I'm seeing on my f-list over the last few years. This is so very true. I started vidding when I was 14 and pretty much adult-life careless. I'm 22 going 23 now and the community is different for me now. Up until recently I've been all of the quoted above except the watching part - I'm always around searching for new vids - but lately... When I joined the Vid Pub I was excited because I missed vidding forums and LJ's activity is getting less and less frequent, but I can't find the time to actually go through the threads thoroughly, let alone participate. I didn't even read this entire thread, mostly skimmed *embarrassed* I mostly try to keep in touch with "the old gang" and fail that too...  |
|
|
|
Post by obsessive24 on Nov 23, 2011 11:39:06 GMT -5
Aww, Zohar, at least you posted, right? That's something. ;D *hugs*
|
|
I think not going to VVC this year also had a lot to do with that, as I wasn't spurred to make any premieres nor did I get to flail over vids for an entire weekend.
