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Post by killabeez on Nov 17, 2011 14:11:28 GMT -5
I was thinking it might be nice to have a place where we could talk about our vidding Achilles' heels, and figure out why we tend to have trouble with the same thing over and over. Maybe get good advice or ideas on how to approach those frustrating problems? (Aspect Ratio? Interlacing? Finding songs? Endings? Instrumental parts?)
I have this weird one, which is that I always struggle with the first verse of a song. I'm not sure why. It's like I have a hard time getting into the flow of the vid, or something, but the first verses of my vids are almost always the weakest parts, and sometimes make me crazy with frustration. It's even more frustrating that I can't figure out why I always struggle so much with them.
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Post by absolutedestiny on Nov 17, 2011 14:26:37 GMT -5
Too much source. The number of perfectly excellent vid ideas I've abandoned purely on the that basis alone is through the roof. Second-most problem? Too little source  |
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Post by thatyourefuse on Nov 17, 2011 14:30:05 GMT -5
Timing.
And going about twenty seconds without realizing I've been cutting to five different things.
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Post by anoel on Nov 17, 2011 19:02:15 GMT -5
Clipping and tech issues. Both of those are a lot of the reason many of my ideas don't get made. I remember when I had most of my clipping done for one vid that applied to another vid, it was SO easy to get a vid draft done.
There are probably some other creative stuff but I'm still working on that.
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Post by zippit on Nov 17, 2011 19:04:31 GMT -5
Mine would be reading all the meta/posts to find a "correct" way to do things since I'm a newbie but like all creative things there is no single method.
I'm sure I'll be running into plenty of tech and narrative issues too but I'll cross that bridge later.
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Post by dragonchic on Nov 17, 2011 19:23:34 GMT -5
Prioritizing musicality over narrative in vids that should be narrative-first. I've had to rule out my favorite genre of vid music in an effort to get over it. I'm hoping that works because otherwise I'll have to chalk the problem up to general deficiencies in narrative ability and that's way more depressing.  killabeez - Do you ever go back and try to re-vid the first verse once you've gotten the hang of it? FWIW I've never noticed a difference in quality in the first verses of your vids. absolutedestiny - Agreed, mountains of source can be way intimidating. I'd be lying if I said I haven't delayed certain vid ideas because of it. |
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Post by littleheaven on Nov 17, 2011 23:41:46 GMT -5
Trying to be something that I'm not. It almost crippled my vidding completely. I'm not the vidder that's going to deliver some stunning narrative or meta vid. I'm the "ooh shiny" sort of vidder, and if I try to be like others, I just grind myself to a standstill. I keep having to remind myself to embrace my own style of vidding and stop comparing myself to people who can do stuff I can't.
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Post by valika on Nov 18, 2011 5:15:11 GMT -5
littlehaven, I could write this about me exactly. My other Achilles' Heel is that I tend to use the same clips in my vids in the same fandom, just because I find them so cool. I really try to keep myself back from this bad habit constantly. 
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Post by legoline on Nov 18, 2011 7:01:28 GMT -5
Trying to be something that I'm not. It almost crippled my vidding completely. I'm not the vidder that's going to deliver some stunning narrative or meta vid. I'm the "ooh shiny" sort of vidder, and if I try to be like others, I just grind myself to a standstill. I keep having to remind myself to embrace my own style of vidding and stop comparing myself to people who can do stuff I can't. Ha, you sound like me :-) Also I feel my editing isn't always 1:1 with the beat and rhythm of the song. Must work on that. |
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Post by obsessive24 on Nov 18, 2011 8:31:27 GMT -5
I have this weird one, which is that I always struggle with the first verse of a song. I'm not sure why. It's like I have a hard time getting into the flow of the vid, or something, but the first verses of my vids are almost always the weakest parts, and sometimes make me crazy with frustration. It's even more frustrating that I can't figure out why I always struggle so much with them. Strange and interesting! Does it matter whether you do it first or leave it until last, or is it a problem no matter when you approach it? One persistent sentiment that comes back to haunt me one way or another is that my vids feel distancing. The emotional content doesn't come through, or maybe it's obscured by the motion and musicality "techy" elements, I'm not sure. Too much external source/metaphor shots, occasionally. I've sort of pinned a fix to lingering on specific shots long enough for the emotion to soak through, rather than feeling compelled by musicality instincts (a very wise piece of advice from lim), but it's still hit and miss at times, methinks. But then, I'm an analytical creature at heart and there's only so much I can change before I turn into not-me, and as others have said, there's no point trying to be what you're not. dragonchic - in line with that, I sometimes feel as though your astounding musicality is the thing that hinders your narrative. Not even your narrative ability, but just the fact that the video moves so well becomes so much front and centre that it obscures viewers' eyes from the narrative/emotive aspects. Just my two cents FWIW. zippit - sometimes I feel like all the well-intentioned meta and advice out there just gets to be too much sometimes. I think it's all a matter of timing; you're not ready to learn it until you're ready to learn it. And until then, there's no point beating yourself up over it. Again, just my two cents. ;D |
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Post by eunice on Nov 18, 2011 9:48:19 GMT -5
Lyrics, man. Stupid lyrics. Shall expand on that over in the Music vs. Lyrics thread.
Also, finding a song. I tend to go backwards from having an idea or mood I want to vid and then trying to find a song for it rather than the other way around. A little over half the time I just track down heresluck or sisabet and make them tell me what song I am using.
When I do figure out what song I'm using on my own it's generally stuff like, "You know what? REO Speedwagon was totally singing about cartoon dragons!" or "Cyndi Lauper speaks to Mac Ramsey's soul" so I should probably not be trusted with song searches to begin with.
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Post by legoline on Nov 18, 2011 9:53:42 GMT -5
I tend to go backwards from having an idea or mood I want to vid and then trying to find a song for it rather than the other way around. God, yes. I do that, too. For my Festivids assignement I wanted to use a specific band, so I basically listened to all their albums again to find the one that fitted. At the moment I'm also going, "I want to do a Rory vid for DW! But I don't have a song! ARGH" |
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Post by dragonchic on Nov 18, 2011 12:51:22 GMT -5
Also I feel my editing isn't always 1:1 with the beat and rhythm of the song. Must work on that. It could be helpful to focus on that to get the basic skill of editing to the rhythm of the music down, but generally-speaking I feel like you don't have to be that precise. As long as the visuals aren't so disconnected from the music that they'll throw the viewer off, it's probably fine. eunice - I've started doing the vid idea --> song thing too, which is odd because when I first started out I'd never have done that. Sometimes I wish I could go back to that, looking for songs can be frustrating. obsessive24 - lol, weren't you the one that said that my vids were easier to follow with the music off?  It's tough to change because it's automatically-embedded into how I look for clips. So I've started making a conscious effort to primarily think in terms of narrative with much less consideration for musicality. I suppose there's always the risk I'll run too far in the opposite direction and send out a vid that might as well be set to a different track, but hey, sometimes you have to go to extremes to find the middle. Also, FWIW, I don't find your vids distancing. Granted, some of your vids are more emotional than others but that's only natural. Vids like Red, Disarm, Don't Forget Me, etc had a lot of emotional impact for me. But I suppose we tend to have similar analytic approaches. Plus musicality can actually enhance emotional impact for me, so I am perhaps not entirely representative. |
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Post by missbreese on Nov 18, 2011 16:47:48 GMT -5
I'm definitely in the "oohh, shiny!" crowd. I love reading tutorials and experimenting, though, so I usually manage it. I just always need to be trying something new.
At least 90% of my vids are deleted, re-done or just abandoned a week or two after I start. I get bored of a song, or suddenly find it incapable of living up to ideas I have.
Actually, you can sum me up as someone who gets bored and so has to change things every other week. Pretty much the moment I get something figured out or outlined (outlining is 100% my downfall. I have friends who stop me when I dare start) is the moment that you know the vid will never be completed. Thus the many, many unfinished things on my computer...
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Post by obsessive24 on Nov 18, 2011 17:31:14 GMT -5
It could be helpful to focus on that to get the basic skill of editing to the rhythm of the music down, but generally-speaking I feel like you don't have to be that precise. As long as the visuals aren't so disconnected from the music that they'll throw the viewer off, it's probably fine. Agreed. dragonchic - I think your musicality instincts are so natural that they will come through no matter how much you try not to focus on them, and that's something that you can view as to your advantage rather than being limiting, because even when you think you're not at your best with this particular element, it might work out to be the best thing for your vid overall. But I suppose we tend to have similar analytic approaches. Haha, yes. INTJs of the world, unite! missbreese - that's so interesting! If I give up on a project, it's almost always for the opposite reason - I start on it and then realise I never had a proper idea/outline of how it's supposed to go, then I get stuck. |
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It's tough to change because it's automatically-embedded into how I look for clips. So I've started making a conscious effort to primarily think in terms of narrative with much less consideration for musicality. I suppose there's always the risk I'll run too far in the opposite direction and send out a vid that might as well be set to a different track, but hey, sometimes you have to go to extremes to find the middle.