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Post by legoline on Nov 19, 2011 4:29:30 GMT -5
Also I feel my editing isn't always 1:1 with the beat and rhythm of the song. Must work on that. It could be helpful to focus on that to get the basic skill of editing to the rhythm of the music down, but generally-speaking I feel like you don't have to be that precise. As long as the visuals aren't so disconnected from the music that they'll throw the viewer off, it's probably fine.  I usually use SonyVegas "markers" to mark down the beats for me to help me cut on those beats, but I'm sometimes sitting there going, "Right. This rhythm is awkward. What should I mark?" Sometimes I just give up and vid whatever comes to mind, particularly if the rhythm is rather fuzzy and the song is more atmospheric than anything else, but I admire vidders whose editing always seems to be 1:1 with the music/beats, so I'm trying to work on that. |
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Post by gnattery on Nov 19, 2011 9:05:11 GMT -5
I have several Achilles' Heels..es. I've complained here and there about my troubles with structuring vids. Just the fact that there are so many decisions to be made about what to put where, and that each slight variation tells a slightly different story... That is really overwhelming for me. That plays directly into my second biggest issue, which is that I never actually work on the friggen things, because I'm so intimidated by the idea of all those decisions. Once I actually start working, I'm usually okay. But every day I sit down in front of the timeline I have to will myself into working on it, and most days I can't. Every decision feels wrong, so I just fiddle around with it and never finish. One persistent sentiment that comes back to haunt me one way or another is that my vids feel distancing. I've seen you mention that you get that feedback a few times, and honestly I do not understand it at all. I'd say your vids affect me emotionally more consistently than any other vidder. I think you do come to that emotion from an analytical place though. You use visual metaphors, you compare characters, you explain what you mean to your audience. But for me, that's how I tend to understand emotional situations and stories. You mentioned MBTI types just before, and I think that's a useful way of talking about the difference in your style of vidding to others. I'm an INTP myself, so perhaps having a personality that tends to think of emotions as something that can be analysed is a factor in feeling the emotional message of your vids. Because I certainly do. |
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Post by bradcpu on Nov 19, 2011 11:05:01 GMT -5
Mine is tweeking. I'll spend months fiddling with the same 30-sec segment that never looks exactly the way I want, instead of progressing forward in the timeline. Hence the lack of vid releases.
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Post by suchheights on Nov 19, 2011 11:11:39 GMT -5
Ha - Brad, I have pretty much the opposite problem to you. I can be lazy and cut corners like whoa, and rush to finish a vid rather than sitting on it for a while to give myself the distance to make it better. Which is fine, a lot of the time I am vidding to capture a particular feeling of squee, and if the vid is successful at that I'm not too bothered if the editing is a little formulaic in places or whatever. But some of my vids could have been better if I'd held off on posting them for a little while longer.
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Post by missbreese on Nov 19, 2011 11:31:17 GMT -5
obsessive24 - When I get stuck, I bust out Tetris. There's something about repetitive motions that require no real thought that helps ideas to pop out at me. Not sure it's a helpful trick to throw out there (and it can be tricky explaining to people that, no, you're really not procrastinating. Honest!) but, who knows.
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Post by obsessive24 on Nov 19, 2011 11:53:08 GMT -5
I'm an INTP myself, so perhaps having a personality that tends to think of emotions as something that can be analysed is a factor in feeling the emotional message of your vids. Because I certainly do. Well, I'm very glad to hear that it does work for you. Maybe I should just focus on trying to emotionally appeal to the NTs out there and not worry so much about the fact that it isn't gonna work for everybody. It's just frustrating, though, when someone looks at something that I feel like I poured a lot of emotion into and yet they're here effectively saying "sometimes I wish you weren't such a cold robot and could actually feel something." Just,  Brad - that and spelling, apparently. What is this "tweeking"? Is it some newfangled cousin of "tweeting"?  missbreese - I have to try that sometime! Usually when I play Tetris I don't get new ideas, although I do end up having Tetris dreams all night. ;D |
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Post by xandra on Nov 19, 2011 12:40:17 GMT -5
My Achilles' Heel is Over Tweaking Fatigue.
Happens with faster songs or sequences that didn't just pop into place the first time around. I start tweaking little bit by little bit that I can't see the vid as a whole anymore just a series of edits.
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Post by thatyourefuse on Nov 19, 2011 14:15:01 GMT -5
... okay, I've just found a new one.
Next time I reach for the crossfade button, someone needs to break my fucking thumbs.
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Post by obsessive24 on Nov 19, 2011 14:25:08 GMT -5
Next time I reach for the crossfade button, someone needs to break my fucking thumbs. LOL! That's a good one. Hammers on standby! |
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Post by anoel on Nov 19, 2011 15:54:30 GMT -5
obsessive24 I find a lot of your vids emotional so I don't know if it's necessary your problem. For the few vids that didn't hit me emotionally, usually it was a combination of song and fandom which I think helps effect emotional reaction a lot. The song especially, with a good song, it doesn't take as much to get me to get an emotional reaction to a vid but if it's one that I don't like or find unemotional, it's MUCH harder. I would think that's where a beta would help but it could be difficult to find one for each specific vid.
gnattery Structure is one of my favorite parts of vidding but sometimes I feel like I'm TOO structured compared to others out there that feel so organic. So I think I may have the opposite problem. It may be because I'm so familiar with my vid though. It definitely can be hard though!
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Post by kronette on Nov 19, 2011 15:57:06 GMT -5
As others have said, too much source. I do have ideas for multimedia vids, but the enormity of source I'd want to use is just too much to contemplate. When it was tossing in a VHS tape and not caring about quality (ahh, the mid-90s), not a problem. When the vid was shown at a con on a big screen, though, I started to really care about the quality of source. Now, I'm holding off making any new vids because now that I can computer edit, I want to use lossless codecs and have the absolute best-looking source I can. I don't have the storage space for that, and it's almost an impossibility.
Finding a song/fandom combo that works PERFECTLY...except for that one line in the song you don't have a powerful enough clip for. I have several vids I declared 'done' because the clips didn't exist, so I "made do". I'm still not happy with those clips, but there's literally nothing for it. Scenes like what I want don't exist *sigh*
Also, ending vids has gotten me before. Cutting/fading the song and finding just the right clip to convey the emotion you want to end on is, I feel, very important. I'd hate for people to watch my vid, get to the last clip and think 'Oh, that's it?' or worse, "WHY did she choose that? What about X, Y or Z?".
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Post by legoline on Nov 19, 2011 17:50:19 GMT -5
But some of my vids could have been better if I'd held off on posting them for a little while longer. I hear you on that one, suchheights. I once heard a clever saying about art once that basically went like this: "Art isn't the act of creating; art is to know when a piece is done." |
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Post by nos on Nov 20, 2011 2:43:34 GMT -5
Aspect Ratio, how does it work? This is totally mine. People will walk me through it, and I'll forget the instant I am done. For reals. It's very sad.
Also, I tend to be too flowing in my beat matching. I will hit a beat, then hit the lyrics, then decide the guitar goes in a circle right there so something needs to spin, fuck the beat. I am terrible.
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Post by legoline on Nov 20, 2011 4:31:31 GMT -5
nos I will always go back to FoolishPassion and use their table on aspect/ratio for reference. Every time 
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Post by obsessive24 on Nov 20, 2011 5:47:09 GMT -5
Anoel - you're right, song choice plays such a big part in emotional connection, and that's not necessarily something you can affect in your viewer. I'm still trying to live out the AA motto in trying to distinguish between what I can affect and what I can't. ;D Kronette - people have said on other threads that they often vid the ending first in order to get it right. Is that something you do as well? Legoline - I heard that saying as well, but as part of a little story where a parent is convinced his kid is a genius artist one day he brought an amazing painting home from school, but the next day he brings back a really crap painting. The parent goes to the school and find out that there was a substitute teacher on the first day, who simply said, "I didn't teach him anything. I just told him when to stop." Also, I tend to be too flowing in my beat matching. I will hit a beat, then hit the lyrics, then decide the guitar goes in a circle right there so something needs to spin, fuck the beat. I am terrible. To me, that doesn't sound like a problem at all. It actually sounds like you're getting to a more advanced level of musicality where you're not a slave to the percussion alone, but are aware of multiple layers of musicality that need addressing.
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