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Post by meivocis on Aug 21, 2012 13:59:44 GMT -5
I'm using Sony Vegas 11 on a PC running Windows 7 and I'm praying someone can help me as I'm running out of hair to pull. While making my last vid I noticed there were rogue frames between some of the clips. Re-clipping made no difference nor did a complete re-edit in Premiere. After reading the front page of this topic (huge thank you to gnattery, obsessive24 and eunice for solving/explaining the problem) I discovered the issue lay in the converted AVI files I was using. I've now gone back and converted the original MKVs to MPEG2 instead and the rogue frames are nowhere to be seen. This made me overly giddy until I noticed the MPEG2 play back was clunky, any shot with camera movement seems to jar. I use Format Factory to convert my files, and I'm using the same settings (fps, bitrate, dimensions etc.) as the original MKV. I also ran the files through Prism, on the off chance it was a FF issue, but sadly the end result was the same. All I want to do is vid why must technology thwart me so? Does anyone have any idea as to why I'm getting clunky MPEG2s? Or do you use a different file format/conversion software with Vegas? Any help would be gratefully received, I have two vids ready to render and this is the only thing stopping me. Cheers!
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Post by littleheaven on Aug 21, 2012 16:33:28 GMT -5
To clarify, when are they clunky? In the preview pane? Or after you've exported your edited vid?
The preview pane issue can probably be sorted out by selectively pre-rendering bits of the timeline for smoother playback. I do it in 5-second chunks that all join up with each other. That way if I change a clip (which makes that bit of pre-rendering drop off) I only have to re-pre-render that 5-second bit.
If it's an issue with the final exported file, try exporting to uncompressed avi (which will give you something MASSIVE) and then using the massive file to make smaller versions in Mpeg Streamclip or Handbrake.
Personally I use .vob source, ripped straight from DVD's. When you browse to your source folder to import the files, just change the file type you are looking for to "All files" to see the .vobs. Then I go into the project settings in Vegas and there's a little folder which is "match media settings" in the top right-hand corner. Click it, browse to one of your source clips, then select it. Vegas will read the settings of your source and change your project settings to match exactly. THEN, when you export your final vid, make your export settings exactly the same as the project settings. That way, Vegas isn't having to convert the vid to another format at the same time it's rendering the edits. Makes for a much smoother and faster render. Then take your final vid and use either Vegas or another converter to make a web-friendly sized file.
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Post by meivocis on Aug 21, 2012 19:17:05 GMT -5
Thanks for the info! I'm using HD MKV source ripped from Blu-Ray, to make the files compatible with Vegas I run them through Format Factory before importing. I normally convert to AVI but due to the aforementioned problem I've recently switched to MPEG2. After converting with FF I'm finding MPEG2s are clunky, I haven't even got the files in Vegas yet. I've experimented with converting to VOB and MP4 but Vegas wont import them for some reason.
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Post by littleheaven on Aug 22, 2012 6:26:42 GMT -5
I think your best bet is to convert your mkv files to lossless avi files. These will be truly editable and Vegas should play nicely with them. I suspect your previous avi issues were due to them being compressed in some way that made it difficult for Vegas to separate individual frames. I've googled and there is freeware called Super (c) Encoder that will do this. Download the free lagarith codec and use Super (c) to convert mkv to avi using that codec. You'll get big, high quality files that should work well. I've done it before with Xvid encoded avi files using VirtualDub as the converter. Worked like a charm.
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Post by amnisias on Aug 23, 2012 13:58:13 GMT -5
I'm vidding on SV Pro8, it's an awesome vidding machine, but it's got a reputation for being a bit finicky with compressed files. I've vidded with mkv once, and converted into huffyuv, which worked very well, but it gives you huge file sized. I vid uncompressed or VOB by default and use an external hard drive to make it work. Alternatively, try mp4, I've used them in SV, just not for vidding...
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Post by littleheaven on Aug 23, 2012 16:34:22 GMT -5
I vid uncompressed or VOB by default and use an external hard drive to make it work. How do you find Sony Vegas deals with that? I've heard reports that it doesn't like files on external media, and my own experience using an external drive was disastrous.
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Post by amnisias on Aug 23, 2012 17:58:27 GMT -5
It's never been a problem for me. If SV is inactive for a while all the clips are greyed out and it says 'Media offline' but as soon as I click somewhere it's all back in working order. But I think it even used to do that back in the day when I had my clips on the computer drive. What kind of problemes did you have?
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Post by littleheaven on Aug 26, 2012 1:08:07 GMT -5
Yeah, the drive needs to spin up again if the computer has been idle a while, but as you say, that is the same regardless of whether it's internal or external.
I tried a project with a lot of mixed source where all the clips were on an external drive and it kept crashing, to the point where I couldn't even get the project to load anymore. I did some Googling and found some comments that Vegas didn't enjoy externally stored files, so I assumed that was the cause. But it could have been one of my sources or the fact I was using a rather small Windows partition on my Mac (hence the need to store the clips externally).
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Post by legoline on Aug 26, 2012 5:56:49 GMT -5
My vidding clips are all on an external hard drive and it works fine for me. Occasionally SV needs a bit longer to load and yes, if SV has been inactive for a while it needs to load the clips again first, but I haven't had any real trouble with it so far. Fingers crossed.
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Post by littleheaven on Aug 26, 2012 16:38:42 GMT -5
This is good to know, in case I lack hard drive space in the future. I've just cannibalised two hard drives (total 570GB) out of some old computers and put them in a Welland two-bay hard drive enclosure. It connects via USB 3.0 so transfer rates would be pretty decent. Might give it a try. I'm using Vegas Movie Studio Platinum HD 12.
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Post by amnisias on Aug 27, 2012 8:11:14 GMT -5
Biggest factor for SV crashes I think are file types it doesn't like (e.g. ones it recocgnizes but doesn't play with well). If you had mixed file types in the project that crashed I think that's a more likely explanation.
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Post by littleheaven on Aug 27, 2012 16:30:37 GMT -5
Biggest factor for SV crashes I think are file types it doesn't like (e.g. ones it recocgnizes but doesn't play with well). If you had mixed file types in the project that crashed I think that's a more likely explanation. I think you're probably right. From memory it was a mix of .vob and .mp4. I am attempting the same vid again shortly, but I am converting all the source to a common format first.
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Post by meivocis on Aug 28, 2012 12:13:48 GMT -5
littleheaven - I hadn't thought of Super! I used to use it religiously on my old machine but found some of their latest releases to be unstable. I've just installed the most recent version and it seems to be working a treat, and as an added bonus I also stumbled on a way to de-active BFrames. ;D I now have a beautiful 100GB huffy file to work with and I couldn't be happier about the evening of re-editing I have ahead of me. Thank you!
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Post by obsessive24 on Aug 28, 2012 12:52:02 GMT -5
100GB! *dies* My HD only ever has about 50GB free space. On a good day. I'll just have to stick with my non super awesome non-HD source.
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Post by littleheaven on Aug 28, 2012 16:21:08 GMT -5
I now have a beautiful 100GB huffy file to work with and I couldn't be happier about the evening of re-editing I have ahead of me. Thank you! WOOHOO! Let us know how it goes editing such a large file. Did Vegas cope with it okay? I've never tried editing with HD source. Must give it a go. Currently I don't have a means of extracting it from Blu-Ray but I guess there's always downloads.
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