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Post by obsessive24 on Dec 18, 2011 7:34:37 GMT -5
I didn't realise there was an 11 out. Any significant differences/improvements from 10 to 11?
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Post by littleheaven on Dec 18, 2011 15:49:05 GMT -5
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Post by obsessive24 on Dec 18, 2011 15:59:31 GMT -5
Hm, nothing really stands out to me from a vidding perspective. I'd rather have Vegas Pro's masking capabilities! ;D
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Post by legoline on Dec 18, 2011 16:01:19 GMT -5
What is masking exactly? I keep seeing people mentioning it here but I don't really get what it is?
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Post by littleheaven on Dec 18, 2011 16:12:40 GMT -5
Yeah, I think I upgraded because of the titling stuff, but I'd also rather have masking!
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Post by rhoboat on Dec 18, 2011 16:13:03 GMT -5
What is masking exactly? I keep seeing people mentioning it here but I don't really get what it is? It's taking an outline of one clip and mixing it with a different one. I believe you can do rudimentary masking with the Cookie Cutter effect in Movie Studio, but with Pro you can "mask" out whatever you want without having to work only with preset shapes. It's one way to do do really fancy moving manips with vids.
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Post by legoline on Dec 18, 2011 16:16:03 GMT -5
Oooooooooooooh, I get it! Thanks!
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Post by obsessive24 on Dec 18, 2011 16:33:37 GMT -5
If I need to do compositing, I do it with After Effects at the moment, but it would be better if I could do it in-program. Vegas seems much easier than AE as well.
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Post by gnattery on Jan 10, 2012 10:17:29 GMT -5
Question for the Vegas users out there. I've been trying to get my file sizes down further but I can't seem to manage to get them less than about 80MB, even for not particularly huge vids. What rendering settings do you use to get a better file size and still keep good video quality? Also I've been using the Xvid codec for mine, is there anything that works better?
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Post by obsessive24 on Jan 10, 2012 10:36:30 GMT -5
Usually it's not the video compression that trips you up on size, it's the audio. If you're compressing to Xvid, it should be a fairly good compression even if you're running the less good single pass (as opposed to two-pass). But if your audio is uncompressed PCM, that'll be the problem. I really recommend reading back through this thread sorry, it's actually on this thread and following the steps to first export to a large lossless AVI (using a codec like Lagarith), and then using an external program like AutoGK to compress to two-pass Xvid/VBR MP3. It's a fairly automated process that's not that much more difficult than exporting directly out of Vegas, and will give you much better results. As a general rule, I would export and compress in two separate steps rather than combine them. Give that a try and let me know if you have trouble with either exporting to a Lagarith source file, or using AutoGK. Happy to help, but it's easier to do a practical walkthru than abstractly theorise.
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Post by littleheaven on Jan 10, 2012 15:35:28 GMT -5
As a general rule, I would export and compress in two separate steps rather than combine them. Seconded. I export to whatever format is closest to the native format of the files you're using. Example, if I'm editing .vob files from a 16:9 DVD, I export as PAL DVD Widescreen. Then I use Handbrake to convert to .mp4 using the H.264 codec, which gives a beautiful quality file of around 40MB. If I want a .wmv I use Windows Movie Maker which has a really good range of bitrate options. The main reason I started doing this is that if I was compressing and rendering all in one go, the transitions seemed to go wonky - they looked blurry or grainy compared to the other bits of the vid. My theory is that Vegas didn't like doing both. Rendering without changing the compression/format drastically solved that.
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Post by obsessive24 on Jan 10, 2012 15:43:55 GMT -5
Littleheaven - out of interest, what's the actual format that you end up with when you export to PAL DVD Widescreen? MPEG-2?
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Post by littleheaven on Jan 10, 2012 16:05:01 GMT -5
It says it's an .avi file. Not sure what compression it uses. Normally a 3.5 minute song comes out at around 800MB - 1GB. I've always used it because it gives me a file that looks about the same in quality as the source.
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Post by gnattery on Jan 10, 2012 23:34:05 GMT -5
Following those links it looks like there's about 80 different ways to do things, and 120% of them are considered outdated by someone. Everything I've tried has crashed either Vegas or VDubMod. (I figured I'd try using that, since that's what astolat said to use in the post you linked to in the thread you linked to? I'm kind of lost.) I guess I'll just keep persevering until something works. *shrug* Thanks for the links.
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Post by obsessive24 on Jan 11, 2012 3:17:30 GMT -5
There are a lot of reasons why Vegas or Vdub could crash, but off the top of my head it's likely to be because you don't have the most up-to-date codecs installed. If you want to have a methodical walkthrough, try following these steps and let us know where you're getting the problems. 1. Making sure you have the right codecs: Have you installed the AMVapp and K Lite codec pack? These two things should give you a good platform of programs and codecs that you need to proceed. In particular you might want to also check the Xvid site to make sure you've got the most up-to-date version of Xvid. 2. Export master file out of Vegas: Export to a large lossless AVI using Lagarith codec or as Littleheaven suggested, DV format identical to your source. (This will depend on the source you're using.) 3. Compress outside of Vegas: Try AutoGK first. If that's not satisfactory, try Handbrake. I wouldn't recommend manual two-pass in Vdub (via astolat's guide) just because it's extra work for you when AutoGK can do it all for you automatically. (Although it's good to know how to do it, just in case.)
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