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Post by icepixie on Dec 17, 2011 12:19:57 GMT -5
When I was a teenager, before I have computer, I spent many hours to imagine ice skating choregraphies on musics I was listening. (I was a skater and I'm always a huge fan of ice skating). Tv shows and movies have replaced ice skating, and for me, editing fanvid is the same thing as choregraphies on the music. , we think the same way. I've often described vidding as being a replacement for choreography, and I definitely spent/still spend a lot of time choreographing to music in my head. (In my case it's dance rather than ice skating--although there was that period in my teens when I was a big fan of ice dance....) |
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Post by winterjasmine on Dec 17, 2011 12:59:44 GMT -5
I feel like I've read a few comments that suggest it's a big no-no to vid a source to it's own soundtrack. Is this true? Am I showing my noob just by asking this?  What about a source to another source's soundtrack? And in this case does it make a difference if the soundtrack is very well known? Jaz |
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Post by azertynin on Dec 17, 2011 13:20:11 GMT -5
I feel like I've read a few comments that suggest it's a big no-no to vid a source to it's own soundtrack. Is this true? Am I showing my noob just by asking this? What about a source to another source's soundtrack? And in this case does it make a difference if the soundtrack is very well known? Jaz I would say : Do your vid with the music of your choice, one you like it and you think it will fit your fandom/idea the best. And do a wonderful fanvid and prove to all your viewers you have done the best choice ! There are no rules : do or not do that.. you are the vidder, you are the one who chooses the music you want to use.  |
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Post by franzeska on Dec 17, 2011 15:03:55 GMT -5
I feel like I've read a few comments that suggest it's a big no-no to vid a source to it's own soundtrack. Is this true? Only if you do it badly! But seriously, I don't think it's ever a problem to vid "overvidded" music or music strongly associated with something else or music used in the source. The problem is if you're doing that without thinking about it. You can't ever entirely control audience reactions, and you wouldn't want to, but you often do have some ability to judge who will be seeing your vid and what associations they might have with your music. Sometimes, a song sounds great, but you know your specific audience already has a favorite vid using it or the source used it really, really well in a montage sequence and not just over the closing credits or something, so you'll have a harder time selling them on a vid to it than if you chose a similar-sounding song. But, then again, you can't assume everyone will remember that the song is used in the source or that they'll have seen previous vids using it or that they'll have liked those vids. Sometimes, the cliched or obvious choice of music is perfect. And some people really love vids using the source's theme song, so... My very basic rule of thumb (for myself only) is that if I'm doing a vid that's supposed to be some kind of serious meta commentary on the source, I usually avoid the most obvious musical choices. If I'm doing a vid that's about nostalgia, especially for a source people remember liking 20 years ago but haven't seen since, I will totally use its own soundtrack. It's not about rules: it's about making conscious choices and deciding what matters to you. (And that might be: "I love this song! Who cares what you think!") |
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Post by thatyourefuse on Dec 17, 2011 16:19:31 GMT -5
I generally think that if you're trying to say something new about a source, it can be tricky to do that using music from within that source -- but then one of my favorite vids takes that principle and jumps up and down all over it, so it's absolutely a guideline at best. I think in the best case scenario it's possible to do that in such a way that it forces the viewer to experience the source AND the music in a way they hadn't thought of before, but it's not easy to accomplish. |
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Post by killabeez on Dec 17, 2011 17:27:39 GMT -5
But seriously, I don't think it's ever a problem to vid "overvidded" music or music strongly associated with something else or music used in the source. Unless you are vidding "Who Wants to Live Forever?" for something other than Highlander—in which case, you are just plain wrong.  I'm kidding. Sort of. |
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Post by legoline on Dec 17, 2011 17:56:42 GMT -5
It's not about rules: it's about making conscious choices and deciding what matters to you. (And that might be: "I love this song! Who cares what you think!") I agree, particularly the bit about the conscious choice- And in regard to killabeez's comment about Highlander-- --I honestly think that you can take the most overused song and turn it into something exciting. Even if it's "Who Wants To Live Forever" set to--I don't know, Gilmore Girls. (And I'm not even implying I could do that) It all comes down to making a conscious choice about it. It's like in novel-writing--there are so, so many tropes and clichés that are way past their expiry date, but if you get a really, really good writer who's aware of the clichés, grabs them and mixes them up the result can be a flash of genius. Same goes for vidding, or any form of art, really. We live in a post-modern age, after all ;D Everything's about taking what's been done already and turning it into something new. |
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Post by franzeska on Dec 18, 2011 0:04:31 GMT -5
Unless you are vidding "Who Wants to Live Forever?" for something other than Highlander—in which case, you are just plain wrong. I'm kidding. Sort of. Now, now. Let us be fair: Unless you are vidding "Who Wants to Live Forever" for something other than Highlander, and it's not supposed to be funny! |
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Post by elipie on Dec 18, 2011 1:48:16 GMT -5
Unless you are vidding "Who Wants to Live Forever?" for something other than Highlander—in which case, you are just plain wrong. I'm kidding. Sort of. Now, now. Let us be fair: Unless you are vidding "Who Wants to Live Forever" for something other than Highlander, and it's not supposed to be funny!You are already planning a Miami Vice vid, aren't you? |
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Post by franzeska on Dec 18, 2011 5:33:44 GMT -5
Now, now. Let us be fair: Unless you are vidding "Who Wants to Live Forever" for something other than Highlander, and it's not supposed to be funny!You are already planning a Miami Vice vid, aren't you? Well I am now! |
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Post by littleheaven on Dec 18, 2011 5:59:46 GMT -5
I'm about half and half. I have specific ideas of things I want to vid, then go looking for a song. These are my better planned vids, because the concept is there and I'm more analytical about what I'm doing.
Then there are the ones where I hear a song and the vid starts making itself in my head. These are the ones made in a rush of emotion with little thought.
Either way, the lyrics are a fairly strong factor in my choice, because they have to have some relationship to the story I'm trying to tell. I just can't vid a lyric that has no relevance to the visual. They either need to match or be sufficiently ambiguous that you can get away with them not being distractingly irrelevant.
However, even if the lyrical match is perfect, if the tone of the music is wrong then the song is wrong. The feel of the music has to be right. If I look for an example amongst my own vids, then I guess my River Tam (Firefly) vid to Play Dead by Bjork is a good one. The lyric is relevant enough, but what really drew me to the song was the spiralling, falling strings and Bjork's quirky, slightly unhinged vocal performance. It sounded like the way I viewed River's character.
As a viewer, music choice is super important to me in that it has to be cohesive to the message. I can watch a vid with music I don't necessarily like, but if it's right for the vid and the vid itself is well made, then I will appreciate it. If there's a really well crafted vid to a song that has no relevance or totally the wrong mood for the visuals, then I'm going to turn it off right away.
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Post by nos on Dec 18, 2011 12:56:56 GMT -5
Kinda like what was said above, I will fall in love with a song if its vidded well. A bunch of my favorite songs are I had never heard of before I watched their vids. Example: I hated Handlebars. This is likely because I never listened to the song all the way through. Then I saw the DW Handlebars video, and its one of my favs.
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Post by legoline on Jan 10, 2012 6:46:47 GMT -5
Kinda like what was said above, I will fall in love with a song if its vidded well. A bunch of my favorite songs are I had never heard of before I watched their vids. Example: I hated Handlebars. This is likely because I never listened to the song all the way through. Then I saw the DW Handlebars video, and its one of my favs. I never particularly liked Noah and the Whale until such_heights used "Five Years Time" for her Amy/Rory vid. I ended up buying the song, then the whole album and now they're one of my favourite bands... |
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Post by gnattery on Jan 10, 2012 10:24:16 GMT -5
Oh wow, I hadn't seen that one before, thanks for the link. It's gorgeous. |
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Post by badfishmuser on Jan 11, 2012 19:05:28 GMT -5
When I watch a new vid for the first time, I'm looking for musicality and timing. If I can understand the lyrics, I will try to see if there's a good story they've made out of it. Now, not all vids follow a strict storyline progression. Some are just a basic, fun clips put together to a fun song type vid, which I have no problem with as long as they are put to an appropriate song. Those kind of vids only have to evoke a smile from me to count as decent. They're not trying to be high art, just fun. I'll even go a little lax on my no talky face rule if they attempt to do a little musicality in the process.
My very favorite vids are those that combine musicality AND storyline, lyrics, rhythm, melody and all.
And even though I don't make vids yet, I constantly catch songs and think of great ways that a particular tune would make a great vid. But it always starts with the song. Sometimes the lyrics, sometimes the feel of it. It really depends on the song.
I really hope yall don't think I'm a vid snob or something. I've been watching Youtube vids for so long that I may be a lil jaded, lol. My apologies.
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What about a source to another source's soundtrack? And in this case does it make a difference if the soundtrack is very well known?
