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Post by obsessive24 on Nov 15, 2011 19:42:38 GMT -5
Working Day 2Stream WD2 vid draft at Vimeo (password: WD2) Screencap of timeline at end of WD2 (Bottom track: main timeline. Middle track: maybes. Top track: text for you guys.) Progress notes: Today I sourced 1x02, and made some adjustments to existing parts. Time spent = ~ 2.5 hours (not including time spent exporting at end). Working Day 1 was about 4 hours. Today was interesting because it was less about constructing proper vid parts on the timeline, and more about moving various ideas onto the table. I added a bunch of text placeholders/explanations so you can see where my head is going with various clip choices. Spoiler warning: some of the text placeholders refer to future book events. The future book event references are mostly a wink to myself and I guess a bit of an easter egg. If viewers get what I'm going for, that's great; if they don't, no big loss. The ideas are separate chunks right now, and they don't necessarily flow into a cohesive structure, either narratively or emotionally. I hope to work on that organically as I fling more clips onto the timeline. Definitely running out of space for clips! As bananasinpyjamas noted earlier, will have some tough calls later about what to put in and what to take out. I've moved my "interesting" clip cache to the back of the vid. Having them on the timeline was affecting my brainstorming. I've included them at the end of the WD2 draft export so you can see what they are. You may have noticed that I haven't really been paying attention to lyrics at all. I don't really ever hear lyrics; just the tone of the music. At some point I'll have to figure out if any clips absolutely don't work with specific lyrics, but other than that, I tend to leave "lyric interpretation" on the associative, not-much-conscious-thought side. Especially when the lyrics are pretty broad anyway. (That said, I was pretty chuffed when I realised there was a shot of Theon in the first line of "deep in the ocean". ;D ) I won't do a "need to think about" segment today because everything in the narrative is all jumbled up anyway. I'll highlight narrative problems later as the structure falls into place a bit more. Next steps: source 1x03, fling more clips and wait for ideas to gel.
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Post by gnattery on Nov 15, 2011 20:08:06 GMT -5
I realise you've just done it for the sake of the posts here, but I really like the idea of physically putting text into the vid as placement for ideas. I've been putting regions and markers into the timeline in vegas, and that works too, but for when I really want to *see* it, I might try this. It might help me out with my confusions about how to structure well - give me a quick way of seeing the vid I have in my head without having to make it first.
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Post by obsessive24 on Nov 16, 2011 3:17:53 GMT -5
I'm glad it worked for you. I only did it here for viewers' benefit; I actually find that having anything other than black space on a unfinished bit of the timeline distracts me, because usually I envision the flow better when nothing's in the way. If I need to write stuff down, I usually do it separately on a storyboard somewhere. But if it works for you, then definitely give it a try. ;D
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Post by legoline on Nov 16, 2011 3:23:45 GMT -5
Can I just say I can't wait for this vid to be finished? Won't download the recent version as I want to stay unspoilered for the other seasons but holey moley, I. can't. wait. ;D
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Post by obsessive24 on Nov 16, 2011 4:40:03 GMT -5
Can I just say I can't wait for this vid to be finished? LOL, but isn't that sort of... defeating the point of this exercise? I could just go away and stop posting drafts and just post the vid when I'm done, if that's what you want. I'll remove the spoilery text for WD3 so you can watch without fear of spoilage.
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Post by legoline on Nov 16, 2011 4:42:40 GMT -5
Nonono. I'm enjoying the ride, keep posting. Yay! I will certainly watch that one then, thank you
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Post by zippit on Nov 16, 2011 21:41:26 GMT -5
Thanks for doing this!
I'm learning so much by just reading the comments and discussion.
I was wondering about clips. You're going through all the available canon and clipping as you go but for larger canon sources do you already have presaved clips? If so, how did you go about building that clip library?
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Post by obsessive24 on Nov 17, 2011 3:38:20 GMT -5
I was wondering about clips. You're going through all the available canon and clipping as you go but for larger canon sources do you already have presaved clips? If so, how did you go about building that clip library? I'll preface this by saying I have absolutely no "clipping" process whatsoever, and I don't have a clip library. For larger canon sources I would do a big rewatch first at 1.5 - 2x speed with subtitles, and take notes of key scenes/clips either physically in a notebook, or in a .txt document. With timestamps or whatever makes sense for me to come back and locate it easily. It's not as strenuous as it sounds because there's so little precious timeline space when it comes to lots of source, so I usually only focus on clips that are so good-looking and thematically relevant that I'm pretty sure will make the cut. I still end up with usually 3 or 4 times more notes of clips than I'd need, but that's good for a bit of choice. (Years ago I tried to take such comprehensive notes that I wouldn't need to rewatch the source ever again for any future vid, but quickly realised that wasn't going to work because each vid needed such different clips that I could never take notes to accommodate each potential future need. So now I just watch the 7 seasons of Buffy and 5 seasons or Angel all over again if I need to. It's not exactly a chore. ) And then it's only after I've rewatched and taken notes on everything, and probably done some sort of storyboard so the direction of the vid makes sense in my head - I find it more necessary when I have lots of source - that I start ripping/converting the source to get it ready for editing, and set up the project, etc. Then I just use my notes and storyboard to locate the clips that I want and pull them as I edit.
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Post by zippit on Nov 17, 2011 14:14:01 GMT -5
One less reason for me to put off making my first vid then. *lol*
Though avisynth and vdub and their uses for post production filtering and fixing are still daunting to consider.
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Post by obsessive24 on Nov 19, 2011 20:30:43 GMT -5
Working Day 3Stream WD3 vid draft at Vimeo (password: WD3) This version doesn't contain book spoiler text. Screencap of timeline at end of WD3 Progress notes: Today I sourced 1x03-1x07, and made some adjustments to existing parts. Time spent = ~6 hours. Yay for weekend! The narrative/thematic structure is mostly in place, just have to finish sourcing, get a full timeline, then work on emotional flow. The Rise of Robb and Jon toward the end still feel like they're in the wrong place emotionally. (I'm inclined to think it's because there's no good place for them, the way the vid ends with the execution.) I'm also concerned about the ratio/frequency of close-up face shots toward the middle of the vid. Too many successive face shots tend to choke off both the visual and emotive flow, IMO. I love me some heart tree visuals. Initially wanted to contrast the old Gods and the new, but not sure if the avilable visuals make it worth doing. I never noticed how the heart tree face looked so much like Old Bear Mormont, LOL. I really wanted to get a wink in on the speculation about Lyanna and Jon's connection, but am wondering whether this is the right place to do it. Narratively it doesn't seem to tie with the general direction of everything else, so it may end up being one of the things that I really want, but need to cut for the good of the vid overall. Next steps: finish sourcing, full timeline, tweak, start playing with post-production colouring.
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Post by voodoochild on Nov 19, 2011 21:19:41 GMT -5
That bit about rewatching the source and your clipping process is SO relevant to my interests. It's really good to hear that I'm "doing it right" with the clips, notes, and storyboard-esque process.
Also, WOW is Vegas Movie Studio shiny.
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Post by gnattery on Nov 19, 2011 23:13:43 GMT -5
Ahhh, I can really see it coming together now. You seem to have moved around a lot of clips this time around as well as adding them, and everything sort of makes more sense now. That's something I need to keep an eye on for my own improvement.
Yeah I'm not sure about the Robb and Jon bits at the end either. They do feel wrong right up against the execution like that, but I think they're still important to have in there.
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Post by thatyourefuse on Nov 20, 2011 1:16:32 GMT -5
... all right, the transition from all the Stark hugs to Jaime and Cersei made me grin in no small fashion. (Yes, watch me make everything about My Babies, dammit.) Also, I continue to be in envious awe of your cutting, I mean, really.
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Post by legoline on Nov 20, 2011 3:06:45 GMT -5
. The Rise of Robb and Jon toward the end still feel like they're in the wrong place emotionally. I actually quite like them there and I find that the contrast of how one fall determines someone else's rise quite fitting. Emotionally too, because it feels a bit like dominos to me or even a Greek tragedy; once things are set in motion they can't be stopped. (Overinterpreting much? ) In a nutshell: I think they work fine there. I second the "envious of your cutting" sentiment.
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Post by gnattery on Nov 20, 2011 4:56:14 GMT -5
Yeah, I think the idea of them works fine, but maybe they need something extra?
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