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Post by obsessive24 on Nov 14, 2011 9:58:23 GMT -5
LOL, it really isn't, but you're kind to say so I'm enjoying doing this and it's no chore. Also, I'm hoping that holding self publicly accountable will be good for motivation. So effectively what the progress report thread is doing. ;D
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Post by winterjasmine on Nov 14, 2011 10:03:05 GMT -5
Hehe You know, the forum is great, Nicky. But did you *have* to launch in November? It's killing my NaNo word count! Jaz
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Post by obsessive24 on Nov 14, 2011 10:07:31 GMT -5
Maybe you can just compile all your posts here and put them toward your word count. ;D
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Post by winterjasmine on Nov 14, 2011 10:15:13 GMT -5
Lol! ;D
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Post by eunice on Nov 14, 2011 10:55:54 GMT -5
Thanks for doing this Nicky!
And dang, you do vid fast. It's always going to take me longer than a day to get that much on the timeline, but I think what you're showing here is illustrative of a point that can be difficult first starting out.
That is, that it's better to get something, anything on the timeline even when you're not quite sure where it goes or if it will stay where it is. Things always go way slower (relatively speaking) for me if I note a clip that might be useful later but leave it in the bin until I know exactly where it goes. Or an idea that doesn't go on the timeline until I'm sure it's going to be 'right' when it goes down.
Seeing a likely clip, having an idea for a sequence of clips strung together...get them down, and sort it out later. Often just seeing it there sparks a whole host of new ideas and things start to come together organically, even if that originaly clip goes in the trash later.
Might not be as pretty as what Nicky can toss down in a day, but it can really unfreeze the process and get things moving.
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Post by obsessive24 on Nov 14, 2011 11:04:36 GMT -5
Eunice - that's a really good point, and something that I think I haven't fully articulated, even though I embrace it in practice, in vidding and in writing - especially writing.
Whenever I have to write something - whether it was an essay for uni or a fic or a business paper - I draw up a rough outline, type up all the chapters/headings, and then I pretty much just close my eyes and type all that I know, and really just spew it out there with no form and format. (In the case of fic, pre-writing alcohol consumption also seemed to help...)
I've found it's so much easier to go back and edit something that's already there than it is to put something onto the blank page. It doesn't matter how rough it is and how much you're gonna have to shuffle things around and trim the fat and make it look pretty, having something down feels a lot better than having nothing. I think that's also true for vidding - it works for my personal process, anyway.
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Post by legoline on Nov 14, 2011 11:44:27 GMT -5
I find watching your process utterly fascinating. (And educating--storing "clips for later" on the timeline above? GENIUS. I usually put them at the very very end of the video which means I only remember them when the video is completely done.) Thank you for doing this! Also, later I'm going to need to run the vid through Virtualdub using avisynth to do post-production colouring, so either way I'd rather export to lossless AVI and then do all the web encoding/finalisation stuff outside of Vegas. Oh, it's interesting that you work with avisynth. I keep hearing about how amazing and powerful it is but every time I try to find out about what it can actually do and how all the words merge into one big blurred mess and it's like I've suddenly gone illiterate. I don't have the slightest idea about how it works. Something with code. Thus I tip my hat, Sir. ;D
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Post by obsessive24 on Nov 14, 2011 11:58:20 GMT -5
legoline - sometimes I put my spare clips at the end as well, but I found it's just such a hassle dragging them all the way over there, because usually I'm very zoomed-in on the timeline so it takes a good few seconds to drag them over there. And then when I do want to use them, I have to drag them all the way back again. I'm sure the guys over on the avisynth help thread are doing things in much more sophisticated ways that end up in one big blurred mess for me too, but what I basically do is just create a new .txt file, put in a few commands, change the suffix to .avs, then it can be loaded into Vdub. (Obviously need to install avisynth first, but the amvapp takes care of that.) Hopefully can get to a practical example & screencaps in a few days' time. I used to use avisynth a lot more when I was editing in Premiere, but haven't found them necessary for Vegas.
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Post by legoline on Nov 14, 2011 16:47:43 GMT -5
Hopefully can get to a practical example & screencaps in a few days' time. I used to use avisynth a lot more when I was editing in Premiere, but haven't found them necessary for Vegas. That would be fantastic :-) I do have avisynth installed; I just have absolutely no clue whatsoever how it works.
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Post by amnisias on Nov 14, 2011 17:03:42 GMT -5
obsessive24I'm hoping I'm not the only one sitting here thinking 'hmm... your first draft, day one, looks better than my final draft, day 365 ho hum' Right? It's downright scary? But amazing to watch anyway. Maybe this gets me to vid a bit quicker, too, rather than starring at the timeline and agonizing over clip choices. Just throwing stuff on there sounds liberating.
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Post by gnattery on Nov 14, 2011 21:45:45 GMT -5
Lol, I don't usually stop at just having one extra timeline for other clip choices, I usually have about 3 or 4 by the time the vid is finished. I tend to think of them more as "scrap" timelines though. Sometimes they're full of a bunch of clips from a scene that I know I want to use around a particular spot in the music, but I don't know which clips I want to use yet. Sometimes they're parts I've trimmed off other clips, but I think I might want to use them somewhere else, like for alternating jump cuts or something. Pretty quickly it turns into a big mess, but I like having everything right there when I want it. It's like a messy bedroom; *I* know where everything is.
Also you vid upside down, hee. I always have the music at the top, then the main timeline, then the scraps. The lower down it goes the more like the source and less like the vid it gets.
I'll join in the chorus of people impressed by your vidding speed. It would usually take me weeks if not months to get there. Though it doesn't seem like you're especially invested in the vid, which I think can make the process quicker. Still, very impressive.
I notice you have the trimmer open. I've never understood how to use it, so I just cut things in the main window. I feel I'm missing something here. :/
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Post by mlyn on Nov 15, 2011 0:39:14 GMT -5
Watching a vidding process is always awesome; thanks for posting this. Crossing my fingers that vidders with other software or hardware will share their processes as well.
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Post by obsessive24 on Nov 15, 2011 3:30:01 GMT -5
I spent last night watching TV, so no WD2 just yet. Hopefully will get something done tonight, if I don't get sidetracked by Gossip Girl and House and Shipwrecked. ;D Though it doesn't seem like you're especially invested in the vid, which I think can make the process quicker. That may be true. Although I think even in a case where I were very invested (my recent HP Draco vid, for one), I'd still get stuff on the timeline early in the process. It might get shuffled around massively later, but as I noted earlier, I find that shuffling process much easier than getting things on the timeline. Is having the trimmer open a way of saying there's an input screen and an output screen? I just find it easier to have the vid preview there all the time, rather than back and forth between the vid and the source. mlyn - I hope there will be sharing of other software/hardware processes too. Everyone seems to vid a bit differently and it would be good to demonstrate that in practice, if nothing else.
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Post by legoline on Nov 15, 2011 3:43:48 GMT -5
I hope there will be sharing of other software/hardware processes too. Everyone seems to vid a bit differently and it would be good to demonstrate that in practice, if nothing else. I was thinking yesterday that it would be really cool if there were more WiP diaries like these. For one, I'm naturally curious and find it fascinating how other people do things. But, I was also thinking, if I were to post my progress (and screencaps) then I could benefit from that, too, as in, people could comment with things like, "Have you ever considered doing this first, or that first?" or "You know, I see you have SV set out this way but did you know that you can actually have more than video track?" (Just a few random thoughts ) I'm currently working on my Festivid assignment so I can't really post a public WiP, but I still think it'd be great to see more people's vidding process. (Eh. Tired brain is tired)
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Post by gnattery on Nov 15, 2011 4:12:49 GMT -5
Is having the trimmer open a way of saying there's an input screen and an output screen? I just find it easier to have the vid preview there all the time, rather than back and forth between the vid and the source. Actually, it's the section you're using for input that I'm unfamiliar with. When I first started using the program, I had no idea what that part was for, so I just hid it away. Turns out it's for getting clips from the source! I've just been taking the source file and plonking it down on the main timeline at the bottom, clipping out the parts I want, muting it when I work on the vid timeline, and then deleting that timeline when I don't want it anymore. I end up with a LOT of timelines sitting down there at the bottom, just holding the gutted remains of episodes until I get rid of them. I'm glad I see there's a neater way of doing it, but I feel a bit silly now. I'll have to look up how to use the trimmer.
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