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Post by killabeez on Nov 13, 2011 14:24:18 GMT -5
Back in the day when I was still vidding as part of a pair, my other half had spreadsheets with clip notes and lyric notes and stuff. I do use spreadsheets, when working with complex or metaphorical lyrics.  Laura Shapiro taught me that. That's the funny part -- apparently, I have "storyboarded" plenty over the years (although not lately) -- I just called it outlining. (Damn you, art school, for confusing me.) |
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Post by thatyourefuse on Nov 13, 2011 14:47:49 GMT -5
Are spreadsheets a sign of organization? I just keep one as a record of which clips I've used, so that if/when WMM finds a new and innovative way of sending my project tits-up, I can reconstruct it without having to watch my last test export ten thousand times and spend all afternoon trying to work out whether I used the eighteen- or sixteen-frame version of a given clip. That's not how I actually outline -- I use FreeMind for that. |
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Post by killabeez on Nov 13, 2011 14:52:23 GMT -5
I just keep one as a record of which clips I've used, so that if/when WMM finds a new and innovative way of sending my project tits-up, I can reconstruct it without having to watch my last test export ten thousand times God, this is so smart. How I wish I'd done that for every vid I ever made, so that when I tried to remaster it years later, I didn't lose my mind. |
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Post by winterjasmine on Nov 13, 2011 14:52:25 GMT -5
It's a relief to me to have finally figured this out. For years I've thought I was lame and lazy (okay, I am lazy) because I didn't do storyboards. I pictured some complex process you all were using with screencaps and notes and timecodes and stuff. Glad I wasn't the only one who thought this!  This is why we need places like this forum, so we can figure stuff like this out before we spend years thinking we're doing it wrong! Lol!  Jaz |
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Post by agirlnamedtruth on Nov 13, 2011 16:30:37 GMT -5
I usually vid chronologically because my vidding process involves me listening to the song a billion times before actually vidding it (mostly on my way to/from college) because I don't have time to vid for half the week. So normally by the time I actually get round to vidding it, I'm pretty clear on what's going where.
However, I tend to be very literal when matching lyrics to clips so YMMV.
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Post by buffyann on Nov 13, 2011 17:17:56 GMT -5
I'm surprised to see how many people vid chronologically cause I find it very hard and frustrating, cause there's always a part that I really really want to work on and if that's 2min in, I don't want to vid the 1min59sec before getting to it, cause that part may be the glue that holds the vid together, and heck, I really want to vid it !
Also, I often vid the last chorus first because I often want the vid to build to that moment and I wanna use my best clips then, and not be frustrated that I used all the good ones before getting there.
Overall, I like having a vague idea of where I'm going and to have a few clips here and there of what each part is gonna be about, and I might even story board the whole thing, but I just like to go to the part I want to vid on a specific day and not think about argh, I'm still at that part that I'm not really creative about today! No clue if that's how people actually work lol and I'm probably the one being weird here cause let's face it, that is a messy process in comparaison and probably doesn't help with productivity. but that's how I roll.
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Post by thuviaptarth on Nov 13, 2011 18:17:18 GMT -5
I've tried spreadsheets for outlining, but tables worked better for the way I brainstorm things. Although I've been trying to be looser and work out more stuff on the timeline lately. I always have to do a lot of that anyway, because I have a poor visual memory and I need to be looking through the source to have any idea of which clips will work when; most of my notes are more about feel and theme and episodes/scenes than particular images.
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Post by astarte on Nov 15, 2011 15:27:37 GMT -5
My first draft is mostly chronologically with an opening that I know, I'll change, because I always do. The second draft till the final stages are done in sections, that appeal to me on that vidding day and peak my interest. I usually export a vid in six to nine sections and meld them down with a 'fast and dirty'-avisynth filter. So if I change one or two sections I don't have to export the whole vid.
I will go back to chronological in the final stages. Play the export and fix/tweak the problems I have, play again, till I get to the end without interruption. The I watch the vid the next day and apply my final filter, while watching the 'fast and dirty one'. So depending on how complex a vid is for me, I can lose days, weeks or months on the second vid stage fine tuning.
I have given up on notes, storyboards and outlines by now. They just weren't that useful for me and filled with too obvious stuff. I rely on my memory and Xandra for that.
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Post by littleheaven on Nov 15, 2011 15:45:57 GMT -5
I vid somewhat chronologically in sections. Normally I'll have two or three parts of the song where I know exactly how I want stuff to look, so I will put those clips in first, and then I kind of build around those bits until the gaps in between close up and finally the clips meet. Normally the groups of clips go in mostly chronologically but I often have little bits dotted around otherwise empty sections of timeline that are "feeler" clips - they might stay there or go somewhere else but I know I want them in somewhere and I'm trying them out in different places.
This probably explains why I have issues with narrative, LOL.
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Post by katbyrd on Nov 15, 2011 21:47:24 GMT -5
I admit I can't get into the vid if I don't have an intro that I'm happy with. The first ten seconds are important to me because that's what makes the viewer stay for the next three minutes.
So I start at the beginning and work my way through the song. I don't edit usually until I get that first rough copy done from the first note through the credits, if they're last. If the credits are first, I have to have them nicely done before I go on. Man, that sounds obsessive! ;D
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Post by legoline on Nov 16, 2011 1:39:21 GMT -5
I'm done with my first draft of my Festivid and this time, encouraged by peeps in this forum, I went for a less chronological approach. I did the intro, ending and the two main choruses first to make sure I had the best clips reserved for them and I think it worked fairly well. Yay ;D
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Post by xandra on Nov 16, 2011 2:29:55 GMT -5
For the most part I go chronologically or at least semi-chronologically. Unless I have a super clear idea of how I want to vid to I start at the first lyric and go on from there. A lot of the time I filled in the lyric sections first and then go back and fill the instrumentals later when I've started to lock in what I really want. I will leave blanks if I get stuck, or put in a place holder. I find it better to move on and go back later then try to hard and get vidders block. My process usually involves printing out the lyrics and writing down a lose plan of what I want when before getting the clips. It has to change a lot, sometimes a scene in my head is different in the show or it just didn't fit but it's a good guide for when I start to lose momentum. astarte thanks dear, much love *rolls eyes* |
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Post by valika on Nov 16, 2011 3:01:47 GMT -5
I vid chronologically mostly, but it depends on the vid and my ideas about it. E.g. at my last vid, the ending clip was the first thing on my timeline.
I prefer to vid at instrumental music, I feel the process much more free using that type of music.
Vidding for music with lyrics is harder for me, especially for songs that have lyrics not on my native language. But it is fun as well, so I do it from time to time. The strange thing is, when I make notes for the lyrics, pairing them with different clips (is tis a storyboard?), this always seems differently in my head then on the timeline later.
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Laura Shapiro taught me that. That's the funny part -- apparently, I have "storyboarded" plenty over the years (although not lately) -- I just called it outlining. (Damn you, art school, for confusing me.)
This is why we need places like this forum, so we can figure stuff like this out before we spend years thinking we're doing it wrong! Lol! 
