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Post by nos on Dec 13, 2011 11:14:50 GMT -5
One of my favorite fight scenes ever was in in here's luck's video 'Come On'. She took two entirely different fight scenes and made them seemless. Its stunning.
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Post by obsessive24 on Dec 13, 2011 11:38:39 GMT -5
I know it sounds counter-intuitive to recommend a vidder not cut to the beat I think there's a very real distinction betweeen "editing to the beat" and "cutting on the beat". To me the former is general guidance on how to feel the music, whereas the latter comes across as a prohibitive rule, and not a particularly awesome one at that. nos - I wouldn't describe it in terms of "action vidding" per se, but Come On definitely opened my eyes towards the general idea of continuing motion through a sequence of clips, and visual parallels, and some concepts that feel so incredibly commonplace now, but at the time was positively earth-shattering. As far as I can tell, Here's Luck pretty much pioneered those concepts into the collective vidding consciousness. It's amazing. |
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Post by nos on Dec 13, 2011 13:53:41 GMT -5
Yes, I totally agree with that. I brought it forth as an example because it shows what you can do with a fight scene, and by blending it and through continuous motion make something amazing.
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Post by winterjasmine on Dec 13, 2011 17:44:50 GMT -5
I think there's a very real distinction betweeen "editing to the beat" and "cutting on the beat". To me the former is general guidance on how to feel the music, whereas the latter comes across as a prohibitive rule, and not a particularly awesome one at that. This is what comes from vidding in a vacuum you see? 'Editing to the beat' becomes 'cutting on the beat' and there's no one to tell you otherwise... I can only echo what I've heard a lot of other new vidders say about this forum - that every thread is a learning experience, and I've learned more in a month here than I did in the previous three years of trawling the internet looking for information. I'm kinda envious of new vidders rocking up here and having this awesome resource at their fingertips.  Jaz |
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Post by azertynin on Dec 16, 2011 19:39:11 GMT -5
I would still say to a newer vidder - "hey, listen to the music, mark it up a little, try to cut to it, there are these things called beats that really integrate visual with sound" --- but I would also say, "but above all, vid by feel. Check out the different sounds in the song. Are what the lyrics saying more prominent or important than the music somewhere? Go for it!" Beats are not a cage! Music is not rigid. It vibes! I'm totally agree. Sometimes when I watch some fanvids with misplaced or wobbly cuts or not using the visuals, I just wonder if the vidder who edited the vid has really listened his music. By listen I mean feel the music and try to transpose his feeling using both visuals and cuts. In my opinion, editing fanvids, it's like make a choreography on the music. |
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Post by obsessive24 on Dec 17, 2011 4:02:13 GMT -5
I'm totally agree. Sometimes when I watch some fanvids with misplaced or wobbly cuts or not using the visuals, I just wonder if the vidder who edited the vid has really listened his music. By listen I mean feel the music and try to transpose his feeling using both visuals and cuts. I guess - well, I can only guess, because I come from such an opposite direction - there's certainly a subset of vidders who are much more interested in exploring lyric ties or story or various other things that aren't to do with the sound and feel of the music, and how that translates to visuals. It's such an alien concept for me personally because the way I think about vids and vidding, the goal for me (well, one of the goals) is to ensure the feel of the music comes across in the feel of the visuals, otherwise what's the point of setting visuals to music? But I get the impression that that's not how everyone works. |
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Post by killabeez on Dec 17, 2011 17:31:44 GMT -5
As far as I can tell, Here's Luck pretty much pioneered those concepts into the collective vidding consciousness. It's amazing. I don't have the experience to be able to say that's true for every subculture of vidders out there, but I would say you're absolutely right about a large group of vidders I know—when she debuted "Superstar," it created a huge trend of interweaving two scenes to make them feel dynamic and draw both visual and narrative parallels. I never saw it before then, and I saw it about a million times after that, but "Superstar" still stands on its own for effective use of that technique. |
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Post by thatyourefuse on Dec 17, 2011 18:01:41 GMT -5
Hah, true story: the first time I realized how big a deal "Superstar" was, it threw me for a minute, because, yes, it was absolutely gorgeous, but it didn't strike me as unique...
... because I'd started watching vids about a year after it came out, and it took me the longest damn time to figure out that what it was, was HL doing -- basically every stylistic element I'd gotten acclimated to -- FIRST.
Oops.
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Post by killabeez on Dec 17, 2011 18:38:32 GMT -5
Hah, true story: the first time I realized how big a deal "Superstar" was, it threw me for a minute, because, yes, it was absolutely gorgeous, but it didn't strike me as unique... ... because I'd started watching vids about a year after it came out, and it took me the longest damn time to figure out that what it was, was HL doing -- basically every stylistic element I'd gotten acclimated to -- FIRST. Oops. This story makes me smile.  Yes, this. |
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Post by obsessive24 on Dec 17, 2011 18:53:43 GMT -5
I've heard in the context of music that one of the hallmarks of truly great work is that years or decades in hindsight, it seems rather ordinary... until you realise its significance lies in the fact that it was completely original at the time, but had permeated into the general consciousness so deeply and broadly that now it's just the normal way of things. But it applies equally well to vidding or any other art form as it does music.
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Post by legoline on Dec 26, 2011 15:05:26 GMT -5
Realisation of the day: sometimes if you want to make a fast-paced action vid you actually need to slow the source material down because otherwise the vid gets too confusing and busy, particularly fight scenes.
I'm currently trying my hands at an action-packed vid and...it's really difficult for me. To try and tell a story in between fight scenes and explosions is...tricky, to say the least.
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Post by fabella on Dec 27, 2011 10:14:18 GMT -5
That's the hardest part for me about vidding action whenever I've tried it! I always feel compelled to tell a story, but I also find it difficult to fit that story into the pretty pretty face punches. I know that it can be done. I'm talking not just action scenes in otherwise narrative-focused vids, but vids that are primarily action-based. That's something I really want to do. I should cut my teeth on a Die Hard vid or something. I know I want to do a The Walking Dead vid to something fast. I just haven't sat down and done it because I'm afraid I'll ruin it. Ugh.
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Post by obsessive24 on Dec 28, 2011 9:54:54 GMT -5
I'm talking not just action scenes in otherwise narrative-focused vids, but vids that are primarily action-based. That's something I really want to do. This intrigues me, because you never strike me as a vidder who does the action first and the narrative second. I mean, a lot of your vids fall into the narrative-focused with a bit of action, and given that you do lean toward having a narrative, I'm curious why you want to try your hand at something that - if I'm understanding you correctly - would put the action first and the narrative second? What motivates you to approach a vid that way? The raw physiology of it? Personally, I think action-vids-with-narrative may be easier if it's not specifically about a linear story, but more like - parallels over characters or over time, something that can translate mostly by the visual blocking and movements. |
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Post by fabella on Dec 28, 2011 11:31:13 GMT -5
Obsessive24 -
Because I am definitely a narrative vidder, I want to try my hand at something new. I want to challenge myself to pull emotion from the audience using movement/visuals/color instead of my usual contextual narrative tricks. Don't get me wrong, that's where my home is as a vidder, and I'm happy there, but I would like to see what I'm able to do with a video that requires the audience to shut down the thinky thoughts and simply feel and experience. I'm blown away by vids that are able to do this because it is so far away from my own style. I have no idea what source I would use to approach this at the moment, of course. It's just a curiosity I'm nursing in my vidder brain, prepping for when I see the right source.
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Post by obsessive24 on Dec 28, 2011 11:41:42 GMT -5
I getcha. I feel like it's a right-brain approach, and like you it's not my usual style of approaching a vid. I think for me the question/difficulty is how long and how far I can maintain the sheer momentum of motion and visuals and colour before my left brain starts drumming its fingers on the table and asking questions like Where are you going with this? Which, interestingly enough, is more of problem when I try to attempt a vid like that myself, and not so much when I watch someone else's vid where I am much happier to just go with the flow.
At the moment I'm feeling out the boundaries of where I exist as a vidder - how far I'm wililng to push myself out of my traditional approach until the vid no longer really feels like mine anymore - and I think narrative is a large part of that. So I think there's a divide between this kind of vid, which I admire, and whether I can/am comfortable going all the way there in my own vidding.
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Yes, this.
