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Post by nataliemich on Dec 3, 2011 14:35:46 GMT -5
Alright, so I waffled back and forth on posting this now or later, because I still have a few things I know I want to change, but I figured since I had a full timeline and spent significant time last night trying different methods for streaming it, I would open it up for feedback! I don't want to give too much of a summary, to see if the idea is getting through, but there is a general theme of the Doctor facing death in the last two finales. I think the second half gets this idea across a lot more clearly. I did some stuff with fades to white in the second half that was trying to mimic an effect in the show that I'm not sure worked, and in any case, I didn't use them consistently, so feedback on whether those should go away or be applied to all similar spots or stay as they are would be great. I'm also pretty certain I'll be completely redoing at least the last 30 seconds, if not the entire "tag," so if you have ideas about what worked and what didn't in that section, I'd appreciate that feedback, too! The end was the first part I did, and since this was my first full vid, I learned a lot by the time I came back around to it. I have two streaming links that are slightly different. Vimeo - I did some color adjustment here: vimeo.com/33059459 (password: oppday) blip.tv - no extra adjusting: blip.tv/nataliemich/opposite-day-rough-draft-1-5789224Any feedback you have would be welcomed, and please don't hold back!
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Post by legoline on Dec 5, 2011 16:26:40 GMT -5
Okay, here goes. ;D This was your first full vid? Seriously? (And now bear in mind I'm really bad at giving constructive feedback) Overall I quite liked it. I'm notoriously bad at detecting narrative so I won't comment too much on that, but to me it felt like the second part was slightly clearer on the theme of the Doctor and death, too. With that out of the way, I don't know, the first 30 seconds or so had quite a bit of very fast cuts, and this is probably just me but they felt a bit...random? Hectic at least; I found myself thinking I wish I could have lingered on some of them a notch longer so they might have more emotional impact. I'm also not sure about the quantity of clips of Amy and Rory in the first half since your main focus is the Doctor. Is he facing his death or generally death? If generally you might consider adding a few more clips of the Doctor reacting to someone's death? (I'm just tossing these ideas out there, really, ignore at will.) You also have a bit of talkyfaces going on in your vid, not sure if that's deliberate? (For example, there's this bit early on of Amy in the TARDIS and she's randomly saying something) If you're not sure what to do with the tag, have you considered leaving it out? It might give the entire vid a different tone but I love my bittersweet endings ;D Just a suggestion, though. By the way, that's a brilliant song you picked. Keep going! This could be a very awesome vid
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Post by obsessive24 on Dec 7, 2011 4:56:56 GMT -5
Haha, I love his bodyshaking on the vocal shake at 0:50. And I really dig various moments of musicality you've got going on here.
Agree with legoline it might be a good idea to run your eye over moments which contain talky face, and consider options there.
The main issue for me is a narrative one. So my question is: what do you intend to achieve with this vid? Who is your intended audience for it? Is it purely to share your love of Eleven-era DW? Or do you aim to tell a specific story/make a specific statement that can be accessed by people who aren't fans of the show?
Coming from my perspective, which is I basically follow the story, even though I haven't really liked Eleven-era DW, is that I think this is a well put-together vid with lovely moments of mood which correlate great with the music, but I don't really feel much emotional connection to it, and I wasn't really able to discern any specific narrative intention beyond "Eleven and his people go places and do stuff". Which is not to say that you don't have a narrative intention beyond that; it's just that I can't see it upon my viewing.
(Unless it's more specifically about the journey of River and the Doctor's relationship, judging from the end? In that case I would suggest that this idea isn't made clearly enough in the beginning of the vid, and the narrative intention needs to be made more overt more early on.)
*shakes head* Sorry, that wasn't coming across to me personally. I think my earlier note may also apply here, in that it might be a point that you need to push early on, so the audience gets some signposting as to where the vid is intending to go. (As legoline noted: what's the function of Amy and Rory in this vid, generally? If you want to specifically deal with the Doctor's attitude to death, is it worthwhile to actually focus more on that in the first half?)
I'm aware that not everybody goes the "statement vid" route, so I'm also curious - is this a general exploration of the Doctor facing death on a primarily mood-driven level, or were you wanting something specific or meta-y that you can actually put down as a thesis statement? It's fine either way, of course, but it might make the process more tranparent if we understood your intentions better.
But I do want to stress that this is my reaction after watching the vid once, and I'm not a huge fan of Eleven-era DW, so I'm likely to be missing a lot of stuff.
Another thing I want to say generally is that I think vidding is quite a different animal to, say, written meta. Looking at what you wrote about your intention with this vid, I'm wondering if you're almost approaching it from a perspective where a lot of notions are obvious to you because you've thought about it and discussed it, but not necessarily to the uninitiated. In that case, again I think the question comes back to: is your intended audience the people who'd analysed the show with you in detail and understand what you're trying to do on a statementy/meta level? Or is this a wider platform vid that is intended to communicate specific ideas to people who haven't thought about it before? Or, even more generally, a wider platform vid that's intended to communicate the mood and notion of facing death without necessarily having a statement or meta notions?
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