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Post by winterjasmine on Dec 11, 2011 16:48:09 GMT -5
Hi icepixie I export in the same way you do. I've noticed the same problem, not so much with solid colour areas, but particularly with clips that have either been slowed a little or more often clips that are a little dark. I don't know of another way to export, I just wanted to say - I feel your pain, with those clips! Jaz
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Post by icepixie on Dec 11, 2011 19:36:30 GMT -5
I export in the same way you do. I've noticed the same problem, not so much with solid colour areas, but particularly with clips that have either been slowed a little or more often clips that are a little dark. I don't know of another way to export, I just wanted to say - I feel your pain, with those clips! At least I'm not alone! It happens to me even when I'm working with black and white footage, which seems terribly unfair. And it's much worse if I've adjusted the exposure or coloring of the clip. I haven't noticed it so much on slowed clips, but I try to avoid those because of the longstanding bug that bites when you use more than a little slow- or fast-mo in a vid, where the original audio tracks of some of your clips will start cutting in and out randomly over the music when you export. God, I hate that bug. The internet tells me it's been in every friggin' version of the program from the original right though iMovie '11, and Apple knows but doesn't want to bother fixing it. Rarrrr.
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Post by franzeska on Dec 11, 2011 21:36:56 GMT -5
the original audio tracks of some of your clips will start cutting in and out randomly over the music when you export. God, I hate that bug. Really? So if the clip has no sound, you get silences in your exported vid? When I used iMovie, I didn't export in a reasonable file size. I think I exported using Quicktime and "full quality" (whatever the settings are that basically export exactly what's in your project with no size/quality reduction). I'd use MPEG Streamclip (and H.264) to make a reasonably-sized version. I didn't usually keep the huge versions around, but I found that this method produced more consistent results than trying to export in a sensible format directly from iMovie. I don't know if it will make any difference, but you could always try it.
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Post by icepixie on Dec 11, 2011 21:55:31 GMT -5
Really? So if the clip has no sound, you get silences in your exported vid? It mixes in the original sound from the clip, whatever that was, kind of over the top of the music so that you hear both of them. I always import video with the sound still in it (is there a way to import video without an audio track? That would certainly solve this problem), then when I move a clip to the timeline, I right-click and "detach audio," then delete the audio track. The bug causes that audio track to come back for brief moments—although not necessarily in the place you would expect. I usually get dialog/other sound from a clip I used toward the beginning showing up in the middle of a vid, or something along those lines. I've always solved it by re-importing the exported vid as its own event, making a new project with the imported vid as the only clip on it, deleting the bad audio, and sticking my music track back in. It solves the problem, but the video quality takes a hit, as you might expect. It also washes out the colors pretty badly. I'll give the MPEG Streamclip option a try, thanks!
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Post by littleheaven on Dec 12, 2011 4:54:48 GMT -5
When I used iMovie, I didn't export in a reasonable file size. I think I exported using Quicktime and "full quality" (whatever the settings are that basically export exactly what's in your project with no size/quality reduction). I'd use MPEG Streamclip (and H.264) to make a reasonably-sized version. Ditto. I've used both PC and Sony Vegas, and Mac with Premiere Pro CS4, and in both instances I output my vid at the most similar to the original source settings, then use Handbrake and H.264 to compress to .m4v, which gives a nice quality web-friendly resolution. I found that sometimes it's a bit taxing on the editing programme to be outputting the vid and compressing it to something other than the original settings all at once, and that caused issues and/or nasty quality files. So I take the compression task away from it and do it separately.
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Post by winterjasmine on Dec 12, 2011 6:51:32 GMT -5
icepixie, I export in the way franzeska outlined (I thought that was what you were talking about in the original post...). You're right, it's the clips that have been adjusted that are the worst (I was thinking dark clips, but of course they're the ones that are the worst for this blocking, because they're the ones that have been adjusted!) With regards to the sound issue when you slow / speed up a clip - I rip source with MactheRipper (or Handbrake if MtR isn't playing) and then open the VOBs in MPEG Streamclip and then clip and export to Quicktime (H264). When exporting from MPEG Streamclip you can then select 'no sound' in the export dialogue. I've not had an issue with the bug you talk about - although I've heard other people have the same problem. I don't know if this is making sense. Let me know if you need a screencap Jaz
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Post by franzeska on Dec 12, 2011 13:01:41 GMT -5
is there a way to import video without an audio track? With regards to the sound issue when you slow / speed up a clip - I rip source with MactheRipper (or Handbrake if MtR isn't playing) and then open the VOBs in MPEG Streamclip and then clip and export to Quicktime (H264). When exporting from MPEG Streamclip you can then select 'no sound' in the export dialogue. I've not had an issue with the bug you talk about - although I've heard other people have the same problem. I did the same thing as Jaz when I was using iMovie. In addition to (I assume) fixing that problem, it also makes the clips a bit smaller, which is always a nice bonus. Ditto. I've used both PC and Sony Vegas, and Mac with Premiere Pro CS4, and in both instances I output my vid at the most similar to the original source settings, then use Handbrake and H.264 to compress to .m4v, which gives a nice quality web-friendly resolution. Oops. I forgot to mention that I do this with Final Cut Express too. I don't know if it makes as much of a difference as with iMovie.
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Post by icepixie on Dec 12, 2011 13:26:04 GMT -5
Well, I just tried the export giant file from iMovie, compress in MPEG Streamclip method, and it definitely looks better. Still some blocking here and there, but it's not nearly as bad as it was. And Streamclip did something to increase the contrast a bit, which looks really nice. Thanks, everyone! With regards to the sound issue when you slow / speed up a clip - I rip source with MactheRipper (or Handbrake if MtR isn't playing) and then open the VOBs in MPEG Streamclip and then clip and export to Quicktime (H264). When exporting from MPEG Streamclip you can then select 'no sound' in the export dialogue. I've not had an issue with the bug you talk about - although I've heard other people have the same problem. I don't know if this is making sense. Let me know if you need a screencap I think I understand everything but where you're getting a VOB file. I use Handbrake to rip (I have MactheRipper, but it always creates an unsightly black line down the right or left side of the video; maybe I need to adjust the settings somehow?), but I've only ever gotten m4v or mp4 files out of it. Once I rip a file, I open it with Quicktime and use the "trim" function to get only the parts I want to put in iMovie, which I think is pretty much what you're doing with MPEG Streamclip...? Except of course without the handy "ditch the sound" option.
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Post by winterjasmine on Dec 12, 2011 17:53:56 GMT -5
I think I understand everything but where you're getting a VOB file. I use Handbrake to rip (I have MactheRipper, but it always creates an unsightly black line down the right or left side of the video; maybe I need to adjust the settings somehow?), but I've only ever gotten m4v or mp4 files out of it. Once I rip a file, I open it with Quicktime and use the "trim" function to get only the parts I want to put in iMovie, which I think is pretty much what you're doing with MPEG Streamclip...? Except of course without the handy "ditch the sound" option. Handbrake will give you one m4v file, MactheRipper will give you a load of files including the VOBs. I don't know why you'd be getting black lines down the sides... MtR doesn't really have any settings. I just load it up, select a location to save the resulting files and hit go. I use MtR preferentially, mostly because that's what I started using. I like the interface, which is really straightforward without any scary settings! You can open your m4v's from Handbrake in MPEG Streamclip and use the same process as with the VOBs to make clips and strip the audio. Because I always use MtR unless for some reason it won't work with the disc, I don't know if either way gives better quality clips, perhaps someone else can weigh in on this? Jaz
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Post by killabeez on Jan 19, 2012 13:44:16 GMT -5
I've been working on some new methods of handling source, experimenting with new methods of converting files, and at the same time, working on the Escapade DVD and encountering issues that some Mac vidders have with creating m2vs and framing vids properly for DVD playback. Now that absolutedestiny has given us the vidding wiki, I was thinking about writing up some tutorials. Which of these would be most useful to anyone here?
- Workflow for creating con-ready m2v/aif files from Final Cut Pro - Workflow for importing footage from iTunes files and editing in Final Cut Pro - Workflow for working with DVD footage - Handling aspect ratio in MPEG Streamclip/FCP (4:3, 16:9, film aspect ratios) - How to create a web-ready avi using Handbrake - Tricks for editing audio in the timeline (FCP) - Software overview of all the programs I currently use and what I use them for - Something else I haven't thought of?
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Post by franzeska on Jan 19, 2012 17:10:00 GMT -5
- Workflow for creating con-ready m2v/aif files from Final Cut Pro - Handling aspect ratio in MPEG Streamclip/FCP (4:3, 16:9, film aspect ratios) I'd be most interested in the former. I forget every time, and what instructions there are aren't exactly the most accessible in any sense. I haven't had too many issues with aspect ratio, but the tutorials I've seen are all very Windows-oriented, so that would be nice too.
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Post by mlyn on Jan 22, 2012 22:15:38 GMT -5
- Workflow for creating con-ready m2v/aif files from Final Cut Pro - Workflow for importing footage from iTunes files and editing in Final Cut Pro - Workflow for working with DVD footage - Handling aspect ratio in MPEG Streamclip/FCP (4:3, 16:9, film aspect ratios) - How to create a web-ready avi using Handbrake I'd be interested in these especially, or ALL The Tutorials. Importing footage from random filetypes that aren't iTunes files would still be interesting.
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Post by alba on Feb 10, 2012 20:29:01 GMT -5
I got into the habit of doing things a certain way and I don't know if it's the best. I open up each episode in MPEGStreamclip and make short little clips appropriate for whatever vid I want to make, then import all of these into Final Cut Express. Is there a better way to do it? Is there a way to put whole episodes into Final Cut and make the clips there? The way I do it seems very laborious. I put off starting new vids because making clips seems like a such a big job. And I prefer to have them all made before I start, although I inevitably add some along the way.
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Post by valoise on Feb 12, 2012 17:06:29 GMT -5
- Workflow for creating con-ready m2v/aif files from Final Cut Pro - Handling aspect ratio in MPEG Streamclip/FCP (4:3, 16:9, film aspect ratios) - Tricks for editing audio in the timeline (FCP) These would be really useful, especially if FCE processes will be the same as FCP, as they usually are. If I could just make the con-ready files directly from FCE that would be a lot simpler. Also, I'm currently working on a vid with 4:3 and 16:9 (in both PAL and NTSC, which are slightly different from each other), and a web series that's in 1280x720. FCE seems to be seamlessly dealing with everything, but I'm not sure is that's due more to luck than expertise. I've also been doing more about editing audio.
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Post by elipie on Feb 15, 2012 15:31:56 GMT -5
For those of you who use HandBrake to convert your VOB files to AVIs or MP4s, what settings do you use? I just tried it, and the picture wasn't even close to the quality the preview told me it would be. I messed with the settings and am trying again right now, but I'd love to hear some input from people who have done it before.
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